A lot of discussion has happened at both unions since I last checked, so please excuse me for not responding to all the points that have been raised. However, I would like to respond to a couple of points that Agunter and Mike brought up:
Scotch Moen wrote: Agunter999 wrote:There should be a proper merger and we should both come together possibly with a new name and leadership altogether.
They wouldn't allow that. They will always be AIN and we'll always be USN. I do agree though that they can't just absorb the idea of this union like it's something to own.
Given that nobody in either union seems to support section 2 as it stands, I'm okay with removing it. It was inspired by the controversy surrounding the use of the COFR name and logo when this union was first founded in 2010; some folks who had been in the original COFR were rather upset that the founders of what became the USNW used their old union's name without their consent, and I wanted to prevent something similar from happening to your union's name in the future. Nevertheless, that part of the draft has generated far more controversy than I had hoped, so I'll gladly remove it.
Scotch Moen wrote: Agunter999 wrote:Having one nation limits us drastically and we have created new nations that we love,
I actually agree with the one nation thing. It's easier. Gives us more time to focus our effort on bettering the one instead of sidestepping between multiple.
That's essentially why the AIN has its one-nation rule, and it's why I included it in this draft. It's much harder to make one nation really good when you're dividing your attention between several nations at once.
Scotch Moen wrote:Why can't this be simple?
"Those of you who want to, come on over. Those of you who don't, that's okay."
That's more or less what I intended: those of your members who want to participate in a merger are welcome to do so, and those who don't will be free to do as they please. Nobody's going to be forced into a merger, no matter how we all decide to implement it.
Anyway, given the difficulty that we've already had in trying to negotiate the fine details of this proposed merger, I think it would be best if all of you took a vote on the general principle of a merger, without worrying about its exact details just yet. If you decide that you'd rather merge with the AIN than disband or keep going as an independent union, then members of both unions can meet in one place and negotiate the details together. It would be a whole lot easier than what we're doing now, and we could put together an agreement that satisfies as many people as possible.
Given that I'm not one of your members, I obviously won't participate in such a vote, and you can decide exactly how to conduct that vote. However, from what I've seen here, it seems to me that the three general options you'd be voting on are:
1) Keep the USNW going as is.
2) Merge with the AIN (details to be decided later).
3) Disband the USNW.
Once you figure out what you want the future of the USNW to be, we can work on the details some more. For now, though, it seems pointless to keep working on the current proposal when there's no guarantee that a merger will even happen.