Passed | Permission to Construct Orbital Weapons Platforms

Yeah, this has passed.

Review?

The First Minister would like to add to his earlier statement, and states that the bill is not repealed until further notice; furthermore, we would like the honorable representative from Okaiken to clarify as to what they mean by "review".

- Office of the First Minister

What Okaiken means by review is that Okaiken needs to appeal the decisions since some of the materials here haven't been clarified by the members of the assembly. This is a huge undertaking in the union, and it needs a couple of reviews (not 1, not 2) by a committee, compromising of members of the union.

Okaiken needs the following, as this is missing:
(1) A blueprint (a scale drawing) of the orbiter platform (this can be done by various programs, such as Goggle SketchUp or AutoCAD).
(1a)The drawing must be complete and shown in 3 different views
-3D projection
-2D projection of top, bottom and sides (with technical details)
(2) A list of companies in USNW who will supply the weapons/materials
(3) A map of where the communication centres/ launch pads will be located
(4) A list of all weapons that would be installed in the orbital platforms
(4a) Please include non-deadly weapons such as the EMP devices/etc.
(4b) Please include the sizes of the armaments
(5) A list all the safety features of this orbital platforms
(5a) Include the override systems and/or the Self-destruct mechanisms
(5b) Include the computer programs that control the craft
(6) A description of assembly
(6a) Include the rocket model that would lift part(s) of it to space.
(6a1) The model must be complete and shown technical views shown in #1
(6b) Include the name(s) of facilities that would built the rockets.

Non role-play: LOL it means that we can't just rush things, I mean the vote is 5-5-0, how is that a pass?

(1) is A REQUIREMENT (we can't just build them without plans)
(2). We don't even know who make this stuff xDxD
(3). Any areas where we can launch these? Who would have the control rooms?
(4) is important (You can't just say no WMD because you still have EMP)
(5). LOL I wonder what happens when one of these fall unexpectedly to land
(6) WE NEED A rocket. If not, can we use the space elevator?

Someone's stalling a bill...
I just hope Folland's up to the task of explaining.

LOL Kenny

Satellites do not "unexpectedly fall to land" nowadays, last I checked; the last major man-made object to do so was Skylab reentering over Australia, and that was back in the '70s. Modern tracking systems and such mean that if necessary, a useless satellite or space station or whatever's trajectory can be altered in such a way as to let it burn up in the atmosphere, have any surviving pieces land in the ocean, or often both. Self-destruct mechanisms on spacecraft are a Very Bad Idea(c), mainly due to the problem of all the debris produced from a self-destruct; for examples, just see what happened after that Russian and American satellite collided a couple of years ago, or how much "space junk" was created when the Chinese tested a surface-to-space missile on one of their satellites (also only a couple of years ago)

(PS: Yeah, there are a few other examples besides Skylab, like that Soviet nuclear satellite that crashed in western Canada; however, the Soviets had abandoned that one years ago and were no longer tracking it, making it their own fault that their satellite went boom without them knowing.)

Oh Mike, you forgot, Haroyashi of Nilia and Albian is making the engines of the rocket, I asked before and you said okays x3

Added that in there. D:

Well we need to put out everything together so that it may pass another re-vote. There are just so much things to be clarified before I can say yes to this xDxD



@Dan - actually there are recent news about defunct satellites falling into earth and threatening cities so it is a real threat. Also, there is a possibility of satellites falling unexpectedly. When the Sun bursts (Solar Flares), there might be a change where satellites fall out of their orbit and into earth.

Section 1 has now been clarified. Please post the details on the first page.

ArrowHead wrote:@Dan - actually there are recent news about defunct satellites falling into earth and threatening cities so it is a real threat.

Like, a 1-in-640,000 chance of recognizable pieces hitting the surface? That's a ridiculously-low chance. Plus, over 70% of the surface is water, so even if it does make it to the surface, the odds are against it hitting land. And even if it hits land...well, the majority of a continent's landmass is typically not urbanized - thus giving them an even lower chance of hitting.

Wait what happened to the other yes vote?

Sorry, I meant to delete the poll but clicking "cancel vote" only removed mine. lol

The poll has been "cancelled" because of the review and want for a re-vote after more discussion.

I'm against this as I'd prefer to see all parts of the satellite made in stable nations and not ones affected by constant terrorism.

As long as Folland has a History of stable Government I'm ok with all it being controlled from there, but perhaps have parts made only in stable and peaceful nations that don't have corruption. Don't want any weapons falling in to the wrong hands again like the nuclear material recently.

I'd also like to see it used predominately for protection from asteroids and such, not used against the planet.

I like the idea of no nuclear weapons on it too... rumors are, China has a nuclear weapons platform in orbit around Earth... scary thought.

To again clarify Fox, the proposal states the array is never pointed at the planet and would only be used against a hostile ground force in extreme circumstances, along with approval by the Defense Minister of the USNW.

Also Folland is a very stable government. We've been a Constitutional Republic since it's founding in 1728 and the Nuclear Material incident is the only severe case of terrorism in centuries. Or are you talking about Nilia and Albian?

I still disagree with it being used against the planet.

And as I said, I have no problem with it being controlled from Folland or parts being built there. Sorry I was too vague with my comment. :p

If this proposal was accepted, I'd like to see some bidding process for construction of the parts too, although I feel that since this is such a sensitive military item, that having it built by too many companies in too many nations could compromise its security and safety.

That's why I would restrict this program to nations with stable, developed military infrastructures such as Shayden. Grand & Belluterra is automatically allowed since Daniel is the Defense Minister.

Bump

There are more things to be dealt with

From the Okaiken Wiki:
"Sangoku Keidanren has called on the government to lift the ban on arms exports so that Okaiken can join multinational projects such as the Joint Strike Fighter."

heheh that means I can't join anything military yet

ArrowHead wrote:heheh that means I can't join anything military yet

So? This program is optional-participation, as I understand it.

So if it's optional, why is there so much fuss? Maybe (and not surprisingly for me) I'm not seeing the full picture.

I knew I should have kept this out of the Assembly. Back room deals ftw?

Sign me up for back room deals neighbor ...