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1 Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:36 am

Scotch Moen

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As Fraesia isn't under the jurisdiction of the USNW;

The Follandan Government is reaching out locally to open an investigation into the Fraesian Government, and wishes the Euphemian Bloc nations to operate the Investigation on behalf of the Follandan government.

The Follandan Government still believes Fraesia is in possession of sensitive, damaging information that could harm Follandan national security, if ever used in a damaging way or were released. We urge the Euphemian Bloc to investigate Fraesia's Foreign Affairs department and the central government itself to see if our claims are true.

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Dispite Bergenstein's Government change we hold the same opinion that all Eyphemian countrys should just leave Fraesia alone.

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3 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:15 am

Juls

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Not only does this statement proves Folland's indifference towards the respect of international law, but it shows the will of this rogue state to violate once again the sovereignty of Fraesia, trying to bring with her in her crimes, the other Euphemian Bloc countries. The Folland regime has absolutely no jurisdiction nor legitimate investigative rights or powers over the government and the nation of Fraesia. The Sinope Republic strongly condemns this request.

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4 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:20 am

Chris

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Mitron would like to propose that all disputing countries solve this issue without violence, whether it be through a court hearing, a summit, or any other nonviolent way.

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5 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:26 pm

Kurt

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We feel that we are in no position to investigate a country which has showed no wrongdoing during its existence after the Dead War.
At this point it only looks as if Folland is merely highly paranoid as there appears to be very little to no proof of Fraesia holding intelligence questioning Follandan National Security.


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We could not believe that we would have to agree with Bergenstein with this situation, but the Euphemian countries should just leave the sovereign nation of Fraesia alone. Although the nation is in the crossroads of two competing countries and even two competing organizations, Fraesia is trying to achieve its self-sufficiency in this situation, and it could not be done with every other rogue nation out there like Folland to investigate it. Folland has no suitable grounds for this so called "investigation" and we condemn the actions of Folland.

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Scotch Moen

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Quite frankly, this does not concern the governments of Okaiken, Sinope, and Bergenstein. It's a Euphemian matter as the probable consequences of this is a Euphemian matter. 

Folland is reaching out in a more legal way in order of finally deducing if our concerns are legitimate and this can be settled. If Fraesia really is an innocent party who's just trying to develop itself and nothing more, then it has nothing to worry about an investigation.

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Juls

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There is no "in a more legal way", there is only the way under international law. The rogue state of Folland and her regime might eventually have a taste of justice and the consequences of her actions. Folland's claims are not legitimate to begin with as Fraesia's sovereign rights have superior status over Folland's queries.

As of the concerns of our government, the Folland regime shall know that the supremacy of international law is of a major importance for the Sinope Republic and the United Sovereign Nations of the World. Should Folland continue to not respect it and act as if it could force its neo-imperialist agenda on its neighbours, this rogue state shall be prepared to face the consequences of her actions.

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Scotch Moen

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We would like to remind; again, the Sinopian regime, that this is a Euphemian matter, and it's opinion while heard, is unnecessary. 

We urge an investigation be opened, so this can be settled.

((can someone roleplay as Fraesia for us.))

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10 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:36 pm

Juls

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(( Btw Fraesia would never agree to an "investigation" which is highly illegitimate already and Fraesia would win anytime regarding international law ))

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11 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:43 pm

Chris

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Here's how I see it: The EB can vote to see if it suspects any wrongdoing of Fraesia. An investigation can then be voted on. If an investigation is voted and agreed upon, then unless Fraesia is doing something wrong, why would they refuse an investigation?

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12 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:48 pm

Jack

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(( The de facto RPer of Fraesia is me, but I want to consult Agus before releasing any official statement, as Agus is the lawyer. Razz 

Chris, it is not up to the EB to decide if they should let Folland "investigate" Fraesia. Fraesia has every right to its sovereignty and while it does not necessarily hold malicious intelligence, by blatantly handing over all of its information to Folland, they become vulnerable. For example, maybe Cuba has nothing to hide from the US, but if they handed over all intel, they would be vulnerable to anything. ))

The Acadian Federation condemns Folland's attempt to disturb the sovereignty of the Fraesian Republic. We ask the USN to continue to enforce international law.


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13 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:30 pm

Chris

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Jack, I meant for the EB to launch an investigation, not Folland.

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14 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:04 am

Willem

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((Chris, stop mixing IC and OOC, please.))

The Bruellan Federation sees this move as a infringement on the sovereignty of Fraesia and asks that the Follandan Govermnent ceases its insistance on violating Fraesia.

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15 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:06 am

Chris

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I don't know what threads are IC or OOC, or how to distinguish between the different texts. It's all so confusing.

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16 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:47 am

Scotch Moen

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Fraesia would win anytime

((This isn't a lawsuit. Fraesia can't "win" an Investigation.))

((I'm not demanding all information to be turned over to me. I want an investigation into whether they have anything relating to me or not, if not fine.))

((Also Chris we've kinda established that out of character dialogue should be in double parentheses, and in character is just normal text.))

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17 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:39 am

Juls

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Jack wrote:as Agus is the lawyer

(( *as Agus is the international law fanboy wannabe lawyer; one can't be called a lawyer if he doesn't have the qualifications and diplomas required to bear such title Wink ))

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18 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:00 pm

alerules22

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Blakeway4 wrote:
Jack wrote:as Agus is the lawyer

(( *as Agus is the international law fanboy wannabe lawyer; one can't be called a lawyer if he doesn't have the qualifications and diplomas required to bear such title Wink))

(( u butthurt jealous bish... ))





The United Oxacmelan States currently has no opinion on the matter, though the Government of Oxacmela supports a legitimate investigation.

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19 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:00 pm

Scotch Moen

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We would like the Bloc nations to create a committee that would head the investigation. We request any and all information pertaining to Folland that is found; and is found not originally belonging to Fraesia, be returned to Follandan officials. 

We do not demand the releasing of all information found. 

We also request, to Fraesia, to willinging hand over any information pertaining to Follandan National Security it may have in order to avoid a public investigation.

((having Fraesia willinging give it up (if it really has anything) would save face in the international community. If there is something, and chooses to deny it, it would just make the outcome of the investigation that much more damaging not only to Fraesia, but Acadia as well.))

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20 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:32 pm

Jack

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Acadia refuses to launch such an intrusive investigation upon a peaceful, sovereign state. International Law must be preserved, and the Euphemian Bloc has no business interfering with Fraesia's internal affairs.

((I need to get on Skype with you Agus. Fraesia needs a statement.))


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21 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:53 pm

Scotch Moen

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We once again request Fraesia come forward and release a statement for the community, or otherwise an investigation must be created to finally settle this. We do not appreciate this matter to be ignored and brushed aside.

((losing momentum here guys))

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22 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:30 am

Jack

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The Fraesian Republic respectfully declines the offer to allow an investigation to be conducted. We are offended that some members the international community house suspicions of wrong-doing of our republic.


The Acadian Federation demands that Folland does not further attempt to infringe upon the peaceful Fraesian Republic's internal affairs. The diplomatic and political stability of your nation continue to decline at an alarming rate. We suggest you have formal talks with the Fraesian government, instead of demanding an investigation with no probable cause, that could be damaging to the peace on Euphemia.


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23 Re: Investigation into the Fraesian Government on Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:12 am

Scotch Moen

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*cold stare*

Folland agrees. A formal meeting is also acceptable, and we would like to discuss this, predicament, with a Fraesian delegation in person.

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