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The Imperial Federal Kingdom of Grand, Belluterra, and Malo vs. the Acadian Supreme Court

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Acadia is mostly guilty but was kind of limited on what options it had
meh

Acadia in Nilia and Albian's views are guilty because as Folland states, Fraesia was at that point unstable and it would be common sense not to send back the man responsible for causing this unstable-ness.

Furthermore I disagree on that Acadia was limited on options as they could have sent Jacques Varcame to the USNW Courts as has been done 2 times before with NPC unsubs, or tried him in Arcadia itself as if I understand right Acadia had been attacked by Jacques Varcame thus meaning that his war crimes expanded to Acadia itself.


is this okays ?_?

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@Ying: I don't see anything "wrong" with it.
@Carl: Sorry, but we have an elected position for that - the Office of Vice-Consul, which Kenny currently fills. Razz

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Scotch Moen

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I'd say the (present) Jury is agreeing unanimously. Shall we reach a verdict?

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We still need most of the full members' "guilty/not guilty" votes, Mike; only three out of nine have voted so far. Razz

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Scotch Moen

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They're not paying attention Daniel. Razz

Maybe if we dangle a carrot in front of the topic...

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Should it be the verdict thing be held in Skype instead of here? The jury should reach a consensus in closed meetings, instead of announcing each of their own verdicts here.

That is how typical juries work. If not, I'm going to declare this a mistrial because since the juries announced it 1x1, it would seriously affect the decisions of other

On Skype, Kurt and I declared our verdict. I guess I would renounce my verdict and will probably call on the people who announced their verdicts above to be removed from the jury.

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It's a good idea Carl but I thought it was an open meeting on here since nobody said it should be closed. And if it goes through it shoudln't mean the removal of the jury who said it openly because it's unfair on the people who didn't know like me x3 So I think it should be done for the next case on because a retrail might be a bit annoying for everybody x3.

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LOL a jury is always closed Razz (also not an idea; I have been educated in Canadian and ICC laws; it is a seriuos offence to tell what your verdict is on a trial in public.)

Also, the actions above may cause a retrial and maybe a civil suit that might cause the impeachment of the court officials, like the consul and vice consul.

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There's nothing that specifically says juries should be closed in the High Court; that, and there's the problem of most of our Jury members rarely visiting Skype at the same time, which would cause a lot of problems for a "closed" meeting that way. Razz

Any other ideas for a closed jury? Otherwise, we stick to open for now (like we've done for trials in the past). D:

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why don't you PM all the active members of USNW for their thoughts and final verdict? It should be at the same rate as posting here since a PM is on site and viewable.

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That sounds good - from now on, all members will send their verdicts to the user kj34 via PM, except for the following members (who have already cast their verdict here):

Michael-M
Ee99
YingBlanc

We still need at least two more votes to reach a majority - possibly more, depending on who has voted for what. Kenny decides when the jury closes. Razz

Remember, if you haven't sent your PM, your vote is highly unlikely to be counted. Razz

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Razz LOL

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I'm curious as to what the charges would be if they Acadian Supreme Court were to be found guilty.

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Don't worry, We'll figure it out Devil

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Jack

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In that case, how is the jury supposed to come to a decision if they are unaware of what they are deciding?


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Sentencing comes from the judges with the recommendation of the jury. It depends on the severity of the crime Razz

Some Do's and Don'ts for Jurors

During trial:
  • DO arrive on time and DO return promptly after breaks and lunch. The trial cannot proceed until all jurors are present.
  • DO pay close attention. If you cannot hear what is being said, raise your hand and let the judge know.
  • DO keep an open mind all through the trial.
  • DO listen carefully to the instructions read by the judge. Remember, it is your duty to accept what the judge says about the law to be applied to the case.
  • DON'T try to guess what the judge thinks about the case. Remember that rulings from the bench do not reflect the judge's personal views.
  • DON'T talk about the case, or issues raised by the case with anyone--including other jurors--while the trial is going on, and
  • DON'T let others talk about the case in your presence, even family members. If someone insists on talking to you or another juror about the case, please report the matter to a court employee. These rules are designed to help you keep an open mind during the trial.
  • DON'T talk to the lawyers, parties, or witnesses about anything. This will avoid the impression that something unfair is going on.
  • DON'T try to uncover evidence on your own. Never, for example, go to the scene of an event that was part of the case you are hearing. You must decide the case only on the basis of evidence admitted in court.
  • DON'T let yourself get information about the case from the news media or any other outside source. Even if news reports are accurate and complete, they cannot substitute for your own impressions about the case. If you accidentally hear outside information about the case during trial, tell a member of the court staff in private.


During deliberation:

  • DO work out differences between yourself and other jurors through complete and fair discussions of the evidence and of the judge's instructions. DON'T lose your temper, try to bully or refuse to listen to the opinions of other jurors.
  • DON'T mark or write on exhibits or otherwise change or injure them.
  • DON'T try to guess what might happen if the case you have heard is appealed. Appellate courts deal only with legal questions--they will not change your verdict if you decided the facts based on proper evidence and instructions.
  • DON'T draw straws, flip coins or otherwise arrive at your verdict by chance, or the decision will be illegal. It is also improper for a jury to determine damage awards by averaging the amounts calculated by each individual juror.
  • DON'T talk to anyone about your deliberations or about the verdict until the judge discharges the jury. After discharge, you may discuss the verdict and the deliberations with anyone, including the media, the lawyers, or your family. But DON'T feel obligated to do so -- no juror can be forced to talk without a court order.


Just some common sense for jurors Razz Keeping an Open Mind is the key Razz

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Scotch Moen

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This isn't a real life court case Carl. We can't follow all of those listed. lol

Daniel has stated how the verdicts will be processed from now on. Also, as for the final verdict and sentencing, I believe Kenny, being in charge of this case, will have the responsibility of choosing the appropriate sentence, since the Jurors are only deciding if the party is guilty of the charges, and nothing more.

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Michael-M wrote:This isn't a real life court case Carl. We can't follow all of those listed. lol

Daniel has stated how the verdicts will be processed from now on. Also, as for the final verdict and sentencing, I believe Kenny, being in charge of this case, will have the responsibility of choosing the appropriate sentence, since the Jurors are only deciding if the party is guilty of the charges, and nothing more.
^^^ This. Razz

And as I mentioned on the very first page, the "crime" is that of violating the charter of fundamental human rights. Wink

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*bump*

Any news on this, Kenny? You're the one who the PMs are sent to, after all. Razz

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Scotch Moen

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I'm wondering if Kenny is getting bombarded by Real Life Syndrome.

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kj34

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I haven't gotten any other PM's from anyone, so I kinda have my hands tied right now.

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Remember, if you haven't PMed your response to Kenny yet, DO SO NOW.

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Scotch Moen

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Do I have to PM mine?

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I know I sent mine Neutral

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